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we meet in an hour of change and challenge

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thanks for joining us today we have a very\h
compelling show we're calling it take me to\h\h

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your leader because it's about presidents and\h
and how they might have interacted with the ufo\h\h

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and the uap issue that we're talking about we'll\h
be talking about what presidents know and maybe\h\h

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what they don't know about the subject we'll even\h
mention the ones that claimed that they saw ufos\h\h

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and we'll also talk about that time 70 years ago\h
this year when in the middle of a hotly contested\h\h

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presidential election in the summer of 1952\h
there was a two-week period uh where there was\h\h

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a show in the skies over washington dc that blew\h
people's minds and scared the holy heck out of the\h\h

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u.s government authorities and that will all be to\h
come soon in the meantime i'm bryce abel i'm here\h\h

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in southern california i want to reach out across\h
the uh the sea to my partner in crime here ross\h\h

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coltart in australia ross g'day bryce and welcome\h
hello again from down under once again i have to\h\h

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say it's been an amazing week of interviews the\h
last couple of weeks have been extraordinary\h\h

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um firstly there was this guy called bryce zabal\h
my colleague in crime here who did a i think you\h\h

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were the opening show with lua luzondo on coast\h
coast and then george has had a really good month\h\h

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because he followed that up the next week with\h
the coast to coast interview with two former cia\h\h

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veterans which i recommend people listen to jim\h
jim cemivan and john ramirez it amazes me that\h\h

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a guy like semivan who i think he was very senior\h
in the clandestine operations directorate of the\h\h

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cia this is a former very senior cia official\h
he's talking candidly bryce about the fact that\h\h

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he and his wife were visited by he claims and he's\h
the one saying this an alien entity in his bedroom\h\h

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which was malevolent it actually caused physical\h
harm to him and his wife but aside from that one\h\h

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of the things he talked about was he doesn't think\h
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the full picture on uaps so jim's pushing the line\h
that nobody in the government really knows all\h\h

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that's going on he's saying there's a lot more\h
than nuts and bolts here there's a psychic and\h\h

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biological element but the takeaway for me was\h
when he talked about bob lazar you know the guy\h\h

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who claims to have back engineered or been asked\h
to back engineer alien spacecraft in area 51.\h\h

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jim cemetan vouched for bob lazar's claims which\h
is quite extraordinary when you think about the\h\h

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fact that lazar is talking about the whole\h
allegation that the government has secretly\h\h

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recovered alien spacecraft cenavan believes lazar\h
which is just amazing to me and there's a huge\h\h

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contradiction between the fact that he's saying\h
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and uh the fact that he's saying he believes\h
somebody like lazar it's just extraordinary is it\h\h

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extraordinary and you know what's the explanation\h
for it uh maybe he's got a non-disclosure\h\h

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agreement where he can sort of suggest that lazar\h
was on track but at the same time say nobody\h\h

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really knows anything or everything rather i don't\h
know that i actually believe that though the truth\h\h

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is we have been looking into this for at least 75\h
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and probably longer than that i think there are\h
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show the work of all those people over all those\h
generations who have been looking into this so\h\h

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maybe we don't know everything but we certainly\h
have some informed theories that have not actually\h\h

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been shared with us so i i have a a bit of an\h
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talk about that and and the fact that there seems\h
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he's a very highly placed person as you mentioned\h
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and it takes you out of the nuts and bolts\h
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been most successful in talking to the average\h
person about so uh yeah we're in uh we're in some\h\h

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interesting times no question about it before\h
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really think we should also acknowledge the other\h
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fessler's interview uh on disclosure tonight with\h
lou elizondo the former pentagon ufo investigator\h\h

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elizondo firstly talked about how he's optimistic\h
you know he's seeing a huge groundswell of change\h\h

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happening in dc you know the briefings he claims\h
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an impact and and people in congress are now\h
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andre carson there's others behind the scenes\h
ufo events are still getting still happening and\h\h

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getting reported and he teased the debunkers you\h
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drones he said drones from china psyops get out of\h
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he said anybody who's in a position of trust who\h
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they they look at this and they say this isn't\h
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also talked about objects in orbit he said we\h
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pattern when it's outside that pattern that's\h
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to do what these objects allegedly may be doing\h
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elizondo said outright it must be another type of\h
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and understanding of physics so the one question\h
though bryce he didn't want to answer is the\h\h

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one that jim simervan also ducked when george\h
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a question very easily denied if you're a senior\h
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and elizondo answered i can't answer that\h
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elizondo should probably be the man of the year\h
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each time he goes on any interview you think wow\h
he's just he's making news here but then he does\h\h

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it the next time too now it is all well and good\h
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now but he's gone out of his way in a couple of\h
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that there is crashed wreckage uh he did that most\h
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done it on some of these other podcasts as well\h
so i don't know i think uh elizondo uh i happen\h\h

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to enjoy listening to the guy i think that he's\h
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in this uh entire uh investigation that that is\h
ongoing into what uap is all about but he has the\h\h

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ring of uh truth to me and i think he thinks that\h
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podcast not so long ago about how we had images\h
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just one quick thing i believe andre carson that\h
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have control of the house so it's interesting we\h
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in the house on both sides of the aisle uh talking\h
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it and just uh finishing up from that it seems\h
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be the year or at least next year when we get some\h
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well yeah i wouldn't hold my breath over i so i'm\h
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listen just on terms of correcting the record and\h
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over at the drive updated on the swedish drones\h
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nuclear facilities in sweden and there's now been\h
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swedish royal palace he's apparently saying he\h
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spook but there's no word yet if he's responsible\h
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that were seen hovering over multiple nuclear\h
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witnesses i've actually taken an interest in this\h
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witnesses i've seen a video it doesn't sound like\h
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holding my breath but let's just wait and see what\h
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any announcement at all well certainly people are\h
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it this week as well um it's kind of interesting\h
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last year going back to the 1946 uh ghost rockets\h
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and now it's happening again uh it is easy\h
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were rather the russians in this case who\h
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you still have to match the actual sightings and\h
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so um you know as long as we're correcting\h
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to just do one really quick thing you know in\h
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and how we continually it seems like uh for\h
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people and and issues are have to do with uap\h
first there was harry reid we talked about that\h\h

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a couple episodes ago when he passed uh\h
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was very heavily involved in the uap issue and it\h
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authorization act was passed hardly any of the\h
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had this big amount of legislation about uap and\h
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which uh in this uh issue uh from just last week\h
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called seven questions and they interview bill\h
nelson who is the current director of nasa who's\h\h

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been so very very out front on the uap issue\h
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but no not here no no idea that he might be\h
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not there move on it is the biggest story of the\h
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biased on this area but frankly you've got\h
admissions now by the united states government the\h\h

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phenomenon is real the nasa boss bill nelson has\h
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that this might be extraterrestrial you do\h
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you know what this is an important issue we should\h
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spot and ask questions about it but you're right\h
they don't you know it's just frustrating um\h\h

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but we'll continue to keep an eye on it\h
that's one of the things we like to do and by\h\h

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by the way speaking of mainstream media i don't\h
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necessarily i guess you are given\h
your current job and all that but\h\h

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the debrief just had an article out today where\h
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on the uap issue that they thought were doing\h
good work and guess what we both made the list\h\h

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so congratulations to the need to know uh tandem\h
here and we'll try to live up to that is all i can\h\h

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say listen let's move to the topic of the\h
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just uh we're going to talk a lot about history\h
that hidden history angle that we like to do\h\h

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but let's jump straight into it on the present\h
tense what does joe biden know uh about uap\h\h

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and when did he know it what do we what do\h
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look i doubt very much that joan biden knows much\h
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given any kind of comprehensive briefing as you\h
know back in i think it was may last year he was\h\h

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actually asked about president obama's comments\h
acknowledging that there is indeed a mystery\h\h

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surrounding these mysterious objects that are seen\h
in the skies and biden just ducks the question and\h\h

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smiled and basically said of obama's comments i\h
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the room and a lot of people saw this as some kind\h
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smile but frankly i i think joe was just caught\h
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rather than answering the question or floundering\h
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but biden surely must know that costs has demanded\h
a report last december from the pentagon and from\h\h

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the intelligence communities on uaps in that\h
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and so the uh ridiculously named i am\h
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and management synchronization group that the\h
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will provide intelligence to the congress on uaps\h
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definitely become an issue later this year for the\h
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all kinds of articles on the trail of the saucer\h
side medium about what biden knew or should know\h\h

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and clearly now that he's president he\h
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know i mean think about his running mate\h
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committee that's kamala harris so\h
she certainly knew what they knew\h\h

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and they've certainly talked about it and uh the\h
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uh personally in front of the media may be one\h
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you know i think he's going to have to talk about\h
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idea uh this last week on our twitter sites we\h
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to sort of you know not their science they're not\h
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are a lot of people that follow us who are well\h
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we're going to tell a few of those during the\h
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them we asked about joe biden the question was has\h
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issue and uh we got well over 700 votes on that\h
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here's what the people said 31 said that they\h
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number for no he did not get briefed was 43\h
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um not not that he doesn't know something about it\h
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which i can't imagine to not know anything about\h
it but he may not ever know everything about\h\h

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it and that may be kind of our mantra\h
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situation for the for the next time we get back\h
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that burning question that people\h
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and that is why don't they just land on\h
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when it comes to aliens uh there are some things\h
i just can't tell you uh on air but what what is\h\h

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true uh and i'm actually being serious here\h
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and records of objects in the skies that we\h
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how they moved their trajectory so welcome\h
back to need to know now we were talking in\h\h

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the first segment about the issue of what does the\h
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want to talk about a comment that obama president\h
obama made to james corden on the late late show\h\h

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in may of last year 2021 he said quote when\h
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very very strongly that barack obama as president\h
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don't you agree he's implying he knows something\h
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conclusion through that technique that he thought\h
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clearly he does and it isn't just obama uh who has\h
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bill clinton's been doing that for years but\h
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we move on ufos you've been the president you've\h
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given us an idea for our next book what do you\h
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never approved one but there are things flying\h
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you've seen this and you've seen the data where\h
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that there's something you would call life\h
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implied that he had been briefed on the uap issue\h
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in the world all the mysteries out\h
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couple weeks we're reading more and more\h
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i want them to think whatever they think they do\h
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i've heard and i did have one very brief meeting\h
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little bit different than in the past so we're\h
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to know i won't talk to you about what i know\h
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a very interesting place with a lot of people\h
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saying you may declassify it you'll you'll take\h
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uh you know ross i'm gonna turn it back to you\h
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70 years exactly and there's a place at the end\h
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where i've spent an inordinate amount of time\h
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that journals go to with tv cameras to get good\h
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for washington dc with the classic shot\h
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rolling out in front of you the best spot is at\h
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airport in washington dc it's four miles out of\h
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but it's so close to the city you can\h
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midnight on the 19th of july 1952 the air traffic\h
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miles northwest they weren't aircraft they weren't\h
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because there were multiple radars multiple\h
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these objects but they all simultaneously\h
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that wasn't the end of it don't we bryce there\h
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exactly they came back if they went away they came\h
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remember what it was called was it i think i think\h
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his death it was renamed for him listen this\h
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and by the way you're you get my vote for uncle\h
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let's uh instead of doing our way back\h
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52 to now and just ask yourself for anyone\h
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if we have ufos flying over the u.s capitol\h
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on a weekend would we not be freaking out and\h
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over and out about this wouldn't this be the most\h
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have a different uh you know a threshold for these\h
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we were in the middle of the presidential campaign\h
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eisenhower who had famously been the the general\h
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uh was the republican nominee and was expected\h
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stevenson a senator from illinois and stevenson's\h
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and this story was big enough that it threw\h
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newspapers it was a really big deal then but\h
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things landed on the white house lawn and i don't\h
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in those days the media was and frankly still\h
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right there were banner headlines you know sources\h
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reporters were talking to pilots who who'd tracked\h
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these objects with their eyeballs and the radar\h
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the fact that these objects were tracked\h
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11 000 kilometers an hour and again the\h
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happened over the national capital was someone or\h
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they weren't trying to send a message then they\h
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certainly did send a message and by the way just\h
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this is a very important presidential time in\h
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because you think about it we talked in our last\h
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on and gets elected and supposedly uh according\h
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there's the possibility that eisenhower received\h
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about a group that truman had formed uh in\h
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now people have debated these things for for years\h
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ideas in the air so just to go back to our polls\h
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did harry truman create an organization known as\h
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this one was a big winner for yes 64 of our our\h
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majestic 12. um and i think a lot of people would\h
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it was called something else obviously in the\h
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we asked people did eisenhower actually meet with\h
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was our closest one by far yes 35 no 28 not sure\h
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but last year they made a movie about it called\h
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my friend what's your take on um truman creating\h
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story about how they there was two sets basically\h
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roll of film i suspect that some or all of the\h
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are genuine but i can't say that i know that for\h
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the the the existing archives that have been\h
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because they do show that harry truman the\h
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the white house with impunity and as a result of\h
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the creation of project grudge and then went\h
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an investigation to the eventual cover-up known as\h
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and eventually project blue book so i don't doubt\h
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president you would have said this is a major\h
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intelligently guided objects showing a technology\h
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airspace in the united states of course you would\h
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a fact this is an actual fact that harry truman\h
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every three months and was so if there's nothing\h
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briefing um so it it's very interesting and by the\h
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thank you but the whole concept was literally\h
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told the story of a young congressional intern who\h
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during the kennedy administration we've had\h
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we also checked out certain elements\h
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and it seems all together i have to tell you it's\h
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matters as trade enforcement budgets so what's\h
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has less than a year left on his term he's got\h
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i can't stay a majestic right you have\h
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on the inside you'd be contacted from\h
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um and that whole series built itself around\h
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truth in his uh after his reelection so uh just\h
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of jfk connected in any way to ufo secrecy sadly\h
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there's one line that you pointed me to where\h
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yes you know what and uh that was my favorite\h
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the pilot it's during the cuban missile crisis\h
that young member of majestic 12th goes to see\h\h

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his boss and says i don't understand how we can\h
be getting this close to a nuclear war given that\h\h

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kennedy and khrushchev should know about the alien\h
situation and uh his boss is so cavalier about it\h\h

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uh just smoking his cigarette not even caring that\h
he says president kennedy doesn't know does he and\h\h

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that's when that like president kennedy knows what\h
he needs to know which is one of the most shocking\h\h

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things uh that you could even imagine so yeah yeah\h
that's kind of uh well i'm sure over the course of\h\h

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our time uh doing the need to know uh podcast\h
we'll talk more about it but um i tried to roll\h\h

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in all those great storylines into it so i'll tell\h
you what we're going to continue our presidential\h\h

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run in a minute but as we wrap this section\h
we're going to take a deep dive when we come\h\h

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back into what we call hidden history and\h
guess what there are two presidents that said\h\h

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they saw ufos do you know who they are\h
we'll be right back and talk about it

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we meet in an hour of change and\h
challenge in a decade of hope and fear

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i'll get it

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there is not a reason good enough to explain\h
why you're here well since the world seems\h\h

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to be going up in smoke i thought we could\h
bend the rules a little what do you want john\h\h

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i know it's always changing with you but what\h
i want is the truth about this cuba thing

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i am under no obligation to discuss this\h
with see that's what i'm talking about\h\h

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who exactly are you obligated to discuss this\h
with because while i'm watching the tv and\h\h

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maybe i'm naive but i keep asking myself whether\h
kennedy has told khrushchev about patient zero\h\h

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because if he did i don't see how they could\h
be threatening each other like this you're\h\h

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scared john why don't you go home be with kimberly\h
she's probably pretty scared too we're all scared\h\h

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you're the only one who's not well\h
they're gonna work it out they have to

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president kenny doesn't\h
know about majestic does he

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i took a big chance taking you on board john\h
you know oh so i should be eternally grateful\h\h

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forget it not if i'm being lied to\h
now it's a simple question frank\h\h

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does he know yes or no president\h
kennedy knows what he needs to know

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i knew it

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just tell me this who appointed you god\h\h

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ike ike ike never trusted kennedy when nixon lost\h
the election he gave us the authority to decide\h\h

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which future president should be told it's all\h
perfectly legal you don't keep the president of\h\h

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the united states in the dark about this it's\h
wrong john look at the panic this little cuba\h\h

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thing has caused you take god and government\h
out of the equation you're left with chaos

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you know frank

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if you're gonna fight for humanity\h
at least have a little faith in us

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welcome back to need to know so bryce i've\h
probably watched too many movies but i i\h\h

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have this reassuring and probably completely\h
false idea about the american president you\h\h

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know we're always told he or she for that matter\h
is the commander-in-chief that your president's\h\h

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this omnis omniscient all-powerful figure who can\h
demand information with the click of their fingers\h\h

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and so if some pesky general refused to reveal\h
the dark secrets of what they've got tucked\h\h

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away in a cave an area 51 be it flying saucer\h
little green men or whatever the president of\h\h

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the day can just send in the marines and so\h
if the u.s air force is refusing as i notice\h\h

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chris mellon has hinted today in a very\h
interesting article that he's written for\h\h

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the debrief if the us air force is playing hard\h
and refusing to hand over the secrets of uaps we\h\h

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should send them off to guantanamo the president's\h
got the right to basically demand this information\h\h

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so bryce come on mate depress me with the grim\h
reality well clearly uh there seems to be a\h\h

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division of opinion some presidents seemed like\h
they got told more than others uh there's two uh\h\h

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incidents where presidents said they tried to look\h
into it and and met with frustration uh the most\h\h

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recent is bill clinton who sent his uh i think his\h
attorney general webster hubble off to look into\h\h

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it and after about three months hubble came back\h
and said i nobody wants to talk to me about it and\h\h

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also i think we need to acknowledge with hubble\h
there's a bit of a grain of salt that needs to\h\h

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be taken with hubble's claims because he wrote a\h
book about this and talked about how clinton asked\h\h

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him to investigate ufos and it was good fodder to\h
sell the book but hubble's a convicted felon you\h\h

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know he he basically went to jail for all manner\h
of naughty things that he did during his time in\h\h

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the white house and it does raise a question\h
mark that he was perhaps trying to flog a book\h\h

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well i listen um there's enough bad behavior in in\h
washington and in this whole scenario to go around\h\h

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so here's another case in that case jimmy carter\h
had the same situation when he took office in 1977\h\h

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and he asked his press secretary jody powell and\h
his science advisor frank press to do a little\h\h

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nosing around which they tried to do they went to\h
the cia and the pentagon and said hey do you guys\h\h

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know some stuff about this ufo issue that\h
maybe you want to tell the president about\h\h

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and they didn't seem to have anything they\h
thought the president should know about\h\h

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and i don't know if we can prove this one i've\h
not been able to find the exact source for it\h\h

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but for years people have been talking about how\h
a future president and the current cia director\h\h

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george h.w bush told jimmy carter that and here\h
comes that title again he told jimmy carter that\h\h

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uh even presidents didn't just get told something\h
if they asked for it they only got told if they\h\h

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needed to know and he told carter you don't\h
need to know well i think there is something\h\h

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to the fact that jimmy carter did laudably try\h
and break open the veil of secrecy on this issue\h\h

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i've as you know i've i spent a lot of time in\h
my book interviewing dan sheehan the civil rights\h\h

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attorney who tells a very interesting story about\h
how he was retained by marcia smith who was the\h\h

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space policy advisor for the white house to assist\h
in a white house report that was being prepared on\h\h

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what the government knew about the\h
extraterrestrial issue you know were\h\h

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there recovered craft were there things that\h
the government was holding back jimmy carter did\h\h

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ask for information that's irrefutable i'm quite i\h
have the exact quote by the way i wrote this down\h\h

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before we went on during the campaign when he\h
was running in 1976 he said and this is a quote\h\h

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i'll make every piece of information this\h
country has about ufo sightings available to\h\h

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the public and the scientists so that was his\h
intent going into office and i'm not i'm not\h\h

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in the least bit doubtful of jimmy carter who\h
was probably let's say one of the most morally\h\h

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strict presidents of recent times um you know when\h
he said something he really meant it you know he's\h\h

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his bond was his word and i know for a fact from\h
hearing dan's story that dan was basically given\h\h

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access as a result of his work for jimmy carter\h
to the allegedly still classified still secret\h\h

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files of project blue book that 50 years\h
on remain classified and that he was taken\h\h

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to um a completed but not yet open building of the\h
library of congress that was very secure called\h\h

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the madison building taken down into a basement\h
by men in black suits who were in charge and\h\h

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custody of extraordinary files ushered into a room\h
where there was a microfiche player on a table and\h\h

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boxes and boxes and boxes of micro fish and i\h
think dan thinks they tried to snow him because\h\h

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he had one day to go through these files and he\h
started going through them and there was just\h\h

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voluminous amounts of information that had\h
not yet been revealed from project blue book\h\h

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and so he he decided to do the clever thing that\h
journalists do as well which is you fast forward\h\h

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and look for the photographs and the way dan\h
tells it he went through one piece of microfiche\h\h

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no photos a second piece of microfiche no\h
photos and then on the third piece of microfiche\h\h

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he found gold he found literally images of\h
american soldiers dressed in 1940s uniforms\h\h

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with a 1940s real real movie camera and\h
they were filming and obviously recovering\h\h

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a crashed lenticular craft clearly intelligently\h
constructed that had crashed in a snowdrift\h\h

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and was clearly being recovered by the u.s\h
military now what fascinates me about this\h\h

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whole story is dan has said this story many many\h
times i've approached jimmy carter about it he\h\h

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won't talk to me i've approached marcia smith\h
the space policy advisor who's now in private\h\h

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private practice she won't talk about it i've\h
approached the presidential library nobody wants\h\h

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to know about this but here you have a reputable\h
attorney somebody like dan sheehan saying he\h\h

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saw these images irrefutable images showing the\h
united states military involved in the recovery\h\h

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allegedly of a craft which he said had writing on\h
the top you know some kind of strange hieroglyphic\h\h

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symbols around part of the the coppola the rim the\h
classic flying saucer top of the saucer and the\h\h

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disturbing thing bryce is he says he made a report\h
about what he saw to the white house it went to\h\h

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the science policy department but it did not go\h
into the report that was provided to the president\h\h

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jimmy carter was not told about what dan sheehan\h
had seen now i think frankly there's a good\h\h

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question why not well you know i i can at least\h
corroborate that daniel sheehan is telling that\h\h

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story i um in 2001 when i was the chairman of\h
the television academy i got a chance to have\h\h

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lunch with him and i heard that and he knew about\h
my dark skies experience and he told me that story\h\h

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in exactly the same detail as you've just related\h
so he's been consistent on that story for years\h\h

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i i admire though that you have gone and\h
tracked people down and seen if they will say it\h\h

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and and so far nobody is willing to step forward\h
and do that hey do we want to tell people about\h\h

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these two presidents that uh saw your opposed\h
absolutely i want to hear you yeah folks listen um\h\h

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two presidents saw ufos the first is the man we've\h
been talking about for a bit which is jimmy carter\h\h

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uh here's the short story of that it was in\h
1969 in january he was in leary georgia he was\h\h

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campaigning for governor he was not yet elected\h
um it's about 7 15 at night there's 25 witnesses\h\h

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he's at a lions club about to give a speech i\h
guess he was in charge of some 56 lions clubs\h\h

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in in southern georgia at the time and they all\h
go outside and this is how carter describes what\h\h

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he saw he saw something that was self-luminous it\h
came close it moved away it came close it moved\h\h

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away uh he saw it from 300 to a thousand yards it\h
was very bright with changing colors and then when\h\h

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it finally left it left very quickly at a 30 it\h
was hovering 30 degrees above the horizon but then\h\h

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it just up and and split carter being the kind of\h
guy he is had a tape recorder in his car because\h\h

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he always was a great networker and he wanted you\h
know he wanted to know who he was meeting at these\h\h

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lions club meetings so he sat down in his car and\h
he he told the story of the ufo to himself into\h\h

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the tape recorder he went home and transcribed\h
it and in 1973 he filed the nightcap report\h\h

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about this so he was uh not only on the record for\h
having seen it but what's fascinating is that he\h\h

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talked about having seen it during a presidential\h
campaign which is is pretty fascinating and\h\h

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just apropos of what you were talking about and\h
then we'll go to the second uh president but when\h\h

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we ask our our poll on twitter did well first\h
of all i have to tell the story richard dolan\h\h

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a man who i wrote the ad after disclosure book\h
with and uh and a very uh compelling ufo historian\h\h

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uh uncovered a story about carter where uh he\h
says it comes came from someone who is very very\h\h

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close to him in the administration knew carter\h
had been getting some kind of briefing on ufos\h\h

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and saw him in the oval office with his head in\h
his hands crying after it okay so i don't know\h\h

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what they told him maybe they didn't tell him\h
anything and that's why he was crying i don't\h\h

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know maybe it never happened because i don't know\h
what dolan source is so that's part of the problem\h\h

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of doing these investigations but our people\h
when asked did carter receive a ufo briefing\h\h

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that caused him to cry at his desk 50 percent of\h
our audience or at least our twitter followers\h\h

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said they thought that he did noah was only\h
16 not sure 35 so that was the carter story\h\h

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um i don't know what you think about crying\h
at his desk i don't know well i i think um\h\h

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as louis lozando has said if the public knew\h
the full story they would be somber right um\h\h

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all right so let's take this now to a man who was\h
not known to be somber but who was a genial type\h\h

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the other american president who saw ufo and it\h
was ronald reagan all right ronald reagan saw ufos\h\h

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twice in his lifetime according to the reports\h
one of them we for sure know about the other maybe\h\h

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less certain but in 1950 according to lucille\h
ball of all people who wrote this in her memoir\h\h

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uh reagan and his wife nancy showed up at a party\h
after having driven pch pacific coast highway down\h\h

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here not far from where i am right now and he\h
saw a ufo and he came to the party and he told\h\h

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lucy about it etc etc and she wrote about it the\h
big sighting for reagan though is it's 1974 okay\h\h

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this is the year he is uh running for governor\h
and he's in a cessna citation business jet\h\h

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and he and his pilot bull painter see a ufo\h
out there that is just astonishing to them\h\h

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and they and reagan says let's follow it so they\h
actually chase this uso ufo reagan describes\h\h

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it as lengthening he said it accelerated at\h
fantastic speeds and climbed at a 45 degree angle\h\h

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now here's the interesting part of that most\h
that's painter talked about it people have\h\h

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talked about that for years he went and actually\h
talked to a wall street journal reporter about it\h\h

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and apparently he was waived off by and i can't\h
remember the source of who waved him up and said\h\h

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uh you know ronald you can't keep\h
talking about this stuff because it's\h\h

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it's gonna sort of undermine you now remember\h
reagan is the guy that for years uh uh\h\h

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when he was president did talk about what if there\h
were aliens wouldn't that make us all get to get\h\h

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along together and uh he's also the guy that told\h
spielberg at a e.t screening in the white house\h\h

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you know there's only two people in this room\h
that know how true this movie is so you know\h\h

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he's got that thing and what i particularly like\h
about the reagan story is in the summer of 1974\h\h

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reagan on the far right saw ufo and john lennon on\h
the far left side ufo so ufos were not a political\h\h

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thing at that time and i will conclude with\h
this comment about those two stories of two\h\h

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men that saw it and what it says about what\h
we were saying at the beginning of this uh\h\h

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episode about how the media cover things\h
it was known to all members of the media in\h\h

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1980 when president jimmy carter debated\h
soon-to-be president ronald reagan two things\h\h

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they knew for a fact that carter claimed to have\h
seen a ufo all right they knew for a fact that he\h\h

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had seen uh claimed to see a ufo and people in the\h
know knew that reagan had claimed the same thing\h\h

491
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:22,640
and yet nobody asked about it didn't come up\h
not a big deal it was the ufo election of 1980\h\h

492
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:31,120
both candidates had seen ufos in 1976 uh president\h
gerald ford uh had tried to investigate ufos in\h\h

493
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,880
the congress and carter had seen one never\h
came up then either sorry that was a little\h\h

494
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:39,520
long-winded no no not at all it's funny i mean\h
and it's interesting too that reagan and carter\h\h

495
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,920
both talked about their sightings because you and\h
i both know it's political death for politicians\h\h

496
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,960
to talk about the fact that they're interested in\h
this subject matter because the stigma the taboo\h\h

497
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:54,000
that's attached to the subject matter is so strong\h
i mean i've forgotten his name but there was a\h\h

498
00:50:54,000 --> 00:51:00,400
uh candidate for president who who admitted that\h
he'd seen a ufo and it was used against him in the\h\h

499
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:08,080
debate it's a devastating effect basically dennis\h
kucinich was the former mayor of cleveland i think\h\h

500
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:14,080
and um he was ridiculed for it and it it it just\h
rebounded to his detriment by the way quick uh\h\h

501
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,920
rounding out our polls on the reagan poll we asked\h
did reagan have certain knowledge of alien reality\h\h

502
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:26,880
that caused him to support the star wars missile\h
system 61 said yep he did that's why they thought\h\h

503
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:32,240
he supported star wars well bryce all i can say\h
is there's a thing i have huge respect for as\h\h

504
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:37,040
a journalist and as i get older the more i\h
believe in it it's the wisdom of the crowd\h\h

505
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:43,840
and i'm often struck by how in major epochal\h
events in in events that are changing\h\h

506
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:49,840
it's often the crowd that's there first before\h
the supposed intelligent media picks up the trend\h\h

507
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:55,280
you know when you're talking about the arab spring\h
in the middle east it was already circulating\h\h

508
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,160
on social media before people realized in\h
the mainstream media and in government and\h\h

509
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,640
foreign affairs departments that it was happening\h
and i think that's a very similar thing with the\h\h

510
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:10,640
subject of ufology with the the change that's\h
occurring at the moment because i do detect\h\h

511
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:18,160
a change in the attitude in the mainstream media\h
and in in in authority including at the highest\h\h

512
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:25,600
levels of the presidency former presidents are\h
now talking candidly obama clinton they're talking\h\h

513
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:31,200
candidly about the fact that there is a mystery\h
here that deserves investigation and i think\h\h

514
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:37,760
that's a positive it is a positive and as we wrap\h
up today let's just throw one thought out there uh\h\h

515
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,600
the next time we're going to have a presidential\h
election where it's possible for anyone to talk\h\h

516
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:48,560
about this is in 2024 and while people have not\h
really talked about ufos on the debate stages or\h\h

517
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:54,400
even in the town halls uh with uh presidential\h
candidates to any great degree at all it's\h\h

518
00:52:54,400 --> 00:53:01,600
possible this year because as we've pointed out\h
the ndaa says that every october um there must be\h\h

519
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:09,360
a unclassified report uh about uap turned over to\h
the congress and and to the people so that means\h\h

520
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:17,520
in 2024 as in 2022 uh in late october we should be\h
getting a uap report so it might find its way into\h\h

521
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:24,400
the 2024 presidential election as as it should and\h
i think the timing this year is delicious by the\h\h

522
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:31,040
way because you've got the report coming down in\h
mid-october from the ridiculously named aoi msg\h\h

523
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:37,680
i almost and um and uh i think the midterms this\h
year the crucial midterms are on november the\h\h

524
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:42,560
8th aren't they so hopefully in the last two\h
or three weeks of the the midterms campaign\h\h

525
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:50,960
uaps might just become a campaign issue we we we\h
call that the october surprise that might happen\h\h

526
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:58,000
and by the way every time you say the name of that\h
uh that organization the aoi msg which stands for\h\h

527
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:03,840
airborne object identification and management\h
synchronization group which is a real mouthful it\h\h

528
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:10,240
makes me say i commit to coming up with a nickname\h
for that group i if no one else will do it i will\h\h

529
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:16,240
do it and we'll debut it on this show anyway if\h
anybody in the military they've coined this daffy\h\h

530
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:21,840
stupid acronym it's classic military and they've\h
done it i'm sure to make it as forgettable as\h\h

531
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,560
possible because every time i write it down and\h
put it up on my wall and try and remind myself\h\h

532
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:33,440
what it means it's deliberately done to be opaque\h
and vague well it's up to us it looks like it's\h\h

533
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:40,640
up to us we'll have to come up with our own name\h
anyway folks we are out of time so uh from los\h\h